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*r3dn3ck* · 11-27-2007, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cdjnight

r3dn3ck any word on the intake manifolds, just curious, motor is really close to being done, just waiting for heads to be shipped back from CNC porting.

I'm not hearing much from bob. THat's normally a good thing. Means he's busy getting the intakes ready. If everything holds to the last guess they should ship shortly after new years.

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Originally Posted by 2Eighty1

Just outa curiosity - what do you guys think my setup is worth on the market right now ?

Is $2,000 reasonable?

Unassembled... I'd say easily 1300 bones.

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Originally Posted by singlesupra

Paypal the same as when I sent the last?

yep

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Originally Posted by proto

would i still be able to keep the accessories like a/c?
I did... same belt but had to do some pulley f00 to get the right size idlers in place. It's no big deal. Do it.

also, does it bolt up to the stock manual transmission in an 04 GT

Sure does. You can keep your clutch and just buy an 03/04 cobra flywheel from d and d, or I have one for sale for 40 + shipping. New old stock. I converted to 10.5" for mine.

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Originally Posted by bassman97

Yes, you can keep the AC but you need the longer belt of the 5.4. And yes, the trans fits since it's the same bellhousing pattern

I think we used my stock belt. It may have been the 2" longer gatorback. Still... least of your worries. My AC still works but I'd definitely pulling it out. So sick of it adding weight and taking away space under the hood. ABS unit is getting deleted too.

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Originally Posted by proto

what about headers and exhaust systems?

FRPP and JBA shorties fit out of the box. BBK don't, Gibson don't, etc... Stock manifolds will do just fine. Longtubes should hit the market in a few months if things go really well.

singlesupra · 11-27-2007, 08:09 AM

Ill paypal you 41+shipping for the buyin of guessing the numbers and the flywheel redn3ck. That other plate also showed up, i happen to drive by my old house and seen it sitting on the front porch.

chip6990 · 11-27-2007, 08:30 AM

i am not in it for the $$$ but i say....316hp/388tq

myillwillinc · 11-27-2007, 08:37 AM

i'm guessing 321hp/376tq

Nightwing · 11-27-2007, 08:48 AM

325hp/370tq

myillwillinc · 11-27-2007, 08:58 AM

r3d, have you tried my setup on your sim? i was hoping(praying) for 350rwhp/400rwtq.

*r3dn3ck* · 11-27-2007, 09:20 AM

I can.. send me a pm with all the data from your cam card and your compression and I'll zap it up for you. With longtubes you're going to do well.

myillwillinc · 11-28-2007, 10:09 AM

some new pieces to my puzzle....

2Eighty1 · 11-28-2007, 10:15 AM

Anyone looking for 5.4L motor to start your build I've got what you need.

$1,700

http://www.desertmuscle.net/Unassemb...lock-t241.html

I think I'm getting rid of the Mustang now that we are about done moving... Might be going to an LSX based car.

*r3dn3ck* · 11-28-2007, 10:18 AM

guys.. that's a great deal for the parts he's got. There's almost his whole asking price just in the pistons and rods. Someone snap this up before he has to ebay it. 281... hate to see you ditch the stang man. LMK how things end up.

*r3dn3ck* · 11-28-2007, 03:34 PM

k... results are in. 279/332 running rich by a full point with no extra timing. numbers seem low but u gotta see the tq curve. there's no curve to it.

singlesupra · 11-28-2007, 09:31 PM

add the timing, should really wake it up by a bit!

myillwillinc · 11-29-2007, 06:29 AM

some timing adjust the a/f and she should really wake up with another 20ish hp.

*r3dn3ck* · 11-29-2007, 08:05 AM

I'm pretty certain I can crack 300rwhp and 340tq just by cutting out a couple % of fuel and bumping the timing a hair. The baseline tune was intended to be über safe and it was. I'm happy as hell with the baseline pulls showing this much power. That's a good sign. Dyno graph coming in a few minutes.

*r3dn3ck* · 11-29-2007, 08:50 AM

Bone stock with a mild tune on a 4.6L:

BASELINE tune on the 5.4L:

*r3dn3ck* · 11-29-2007, 08:53 AM

BTW... I don't even want to get into the whole mustang dyno vs. dynojet dyno debate. Yeah DJ's read a tad higher. That's ok. I'll live with the lowest numbers being enough to make me happy.

2Eighty1 · 11-29-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

guys.. that's a great deal for the parts he's got. There's almost his whole asking price just in the pistons and rods. Someone snap this up before he has to ebay it. 281... hate to see you ditch the stang man. LMK how things end up.

Thanks, hope it goes to someone that will finish it off.

I just got approved for my new car loan, and got the blank check from the bank - so I think its almost safe to say that the Mustang is outa here...

myillwillinc · 11-29-2007, 09:20 AM

i have a full day off this weekend. i'm gonna et the headers done so i can get this monster back on the road soon.

myillwillinc · 11-29-2007, 09:23 AM

or - you could use that blank check to finish the mustang........

96blackgt54 · 11-29-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by myillwillinc

i have a full day off this weekend. i'm gonna et the headers done so i can get this monster back on the road soon.

I'm there with ya DUDE!

I finally collected a few more parts to help finish up my install.

reds got me all excited!

2Eighty1 · 11-29-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by myillwillinc

or - you could use that blank check to finish the mustang........

I only wish... although a $500 mod payment on top of a $400 car payment isnt that appealing - haha

*r3dn3ck* · 11-29-2007, 01:21 PM

I'm going to be heading down to SoCal here pretty soon to get those longtubes to market. It should be pretty easy to deal with. That'll mean longtubes being a bolt on option for all of you not too long from now.

W00t!

cdjnight · 11-29-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

Dyno

How come your dyno sheet looks like you let off the throttle at 5200 rpm, your chart looks like hp was still climbing? Just curious why the low rpms. Looks good by the way! Closer than most of us, I just found out it will be another month to get my heads done, CnC porting is in the busy season right now, great! I have one set and this place does work for all the big names out there in lots of a hundred plus sets.

*r3dn3ck* · 11-30-2007, 08:00 AM

The dyno was set to sample from 2k to 5250. That was the part that was important to me for this run. I actually limited myself to 5500rpm and yes it was still climbing... there's probably another 10hp on tap if I run it to 6K with the existing tune but remember, the 2v is a midrange rpm engine. The previous run I shut it down at 5200 and it made similar tq but 269hp. I can run it to 6K no problem but this was just a baseline run and not one "for the record" so to speak.

I wanted to see what the thing pulled off with little or no tuning. I'm actually impressed as hell cuz this is right now a pretty over-safe tune. There's more in it yet.

chip6990 · 11-30-2007, 09:32 AM

all this was done on a Mustang Dyno?

*r3dn3ck* · 11-30-2007, 10:23 AM

yep. There's the old 6-12% dyno reading argument but I'm happy with 279 for now.

cdjnight · 11-30-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

The dyno was set to sample from 2k to 5250. That was the part that was important to me for this run. I actually limited myself to 5500rpm and yes it was still climbing... there's probably another 10hp on tap if I run it to 6K with the existing tune but remember, the 2v is a midrange rpm engine. The previous run I shut it down at 5200 and it made similar tq but 269hp. I can run it to 6K no problem but this was just a baseline run and not one "for the record" so to speak.

I wanted to see what the thing pulled off with little or no tuning. I'm actually impressed as hell cuz this is right now a pretty over-safe tune. There's more in it yet.

With the hp still climbing like it is, would you say a different cam would bring the torque peak down in the rpm. Or what else would we have to do to get the hp to peak at a lower rpm with out loosing the torque.

*r3dn3ck* · 11-30-2007, 09:32 PM

with the cam and intake setup I have it peaks at about 4k. To get down to 3K for a tq peak you'd want an intake with a little longer runner and a cam a little closer to a stage 1 like a comp xe262.

Any lower peak tq rpm would generally bring the peak value up. A more radical cam will generally bring the peak tq rpm higher and cost a bit of peak.

New numbers tomorrow afternoon. We'll see how it pans out.

singlesupra · 11-30-2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

with the cam and intake setup I have it peaks at about 4k. To get down to 3K for a tq peak you'd want an intake with a little longer runner and a cam a little closer to a stage 1 like a comp xe262.

Any lower peak tq rpm would generally bring the peak value up. A more radical cam will generally bring the peak tq rpm higher and cost a bit of peak.

New numbers tomorrow afternoon. We'll see how it pans out.

Got your message bud, congrats again on the numbers! Id guess on a dynojet you would be close to 310rwhp. On a safe tune with no timing to boot! Remember you will probably gain more than a stocker will by adding timing IMO. Id say your setup with that intake(that is for a much smaller CI engine) would make close to 325 to the backs with timing and the fuel a little leaner. Put on the longtubes and the new 5.4 intake you guys are making and you will go beyond the 350rwhp number. All just a guess naturally but I still say your combo is going to put down more power/tq than anyone of us thought it was. Its not allways about the peak power, we(the net users) get caught up in peak numbers a lot of the time. I am guessing your car is going to be much more fun to drive than mine with the navi engine even though(assuming) I will be making more power.

*r3dn3ck* · 12-01-2007, 08:06 AM

I'm going to my appointment in about 2 hours. If I see the big differences in the rear wheel numbers then for my 3rd run today I'll pull a little fuel out of the tune and see how see does. Naturally and changes will be noted.

The tq curve on the navigator engine will depend heavily on the intake. If you're using the cams we spoke last about then I think you'll do fine at the low end you may drop a little tq but the top end pull will be plum mean compared to mine. I don't think you'll dislike it one bit.