need advise on cams on 00GT??

slow2v · 10-28-2007, 05:48 PM

hey Im new to this forum. Ive got a 2000 GT 5 speed with 41k on it. I bought it stock 3 years ago, since then ive added the following........

MAC cold air, intake spacer, Accufab 75MM plenum and TB, MAC LTs w/ MAC OR H-pipe, dual Flowmaster 40 series, BBK underdrive pulleys, Diablo Predator w/tune, FRPP 4:10 gears, SPEC 2 clutch, Steeda tri-ax shifter.....Best time so far is a 13.6@101 with a 2.1 60' on 275 Nitto DR's.

My questions now. Im vey interested in putting different cams in my car. I got another set of stock PI heads being ported and polished now. What does everyone think about cam selection? I plan to stay NA for now. Ive read about Comp Cams 270 with valve springs. The guy doing the port work is putting bigger valves in as well. What set up would suit me best? Honestly, I want a hard "lope" at idle, but want the performance. Also, for the intake manifold, should i have it port matched to the heads to match the cams specs? I read the stock PI intake is good for up to 600HP applications, if ported correctly is very good. If someone is really familiar with this set up and has a few moments, i'd appreciate some feedback!
P.S.....what else besides a tune will i need besides this??? stock injectors/fuelpump/ ect????

bassman97 · 10-29-2007, 07:53 AM

You can't port the intake maifold since it's plastic.

slow2v · 10-29-2007, 09:29 AM

so whats the best way to go about the intake manifold? Is it good stock, or do i have to go aftermarket?? I dont wanna spend a million dollars, but want some performance gains. I need some more advice on cams too. If anyone has more info, I need it!!

bassman97 · 10-29-2007, 11:01 AM

Intake should be fine, unless you're pushing serious power. If that's the case, Trickflow, HPS, and Fox Lake all offer manifolds.

slow2v · 10-29-2007, 11:52 AM

SO 75mm TB/PLENUM with ported heads, stage 2 cams, bigger valves should work well with stock intake runners?

96blackgt54 · 10-29-2007, 02:11 PM

Ford has made you a very good flowing intake. Even the aftermarket intakes are slightly better overall. Save your money on the intake and shoot for the cams.

I believe there are issues on the comp 270 in a NON-PI short blocked, PI headed engine, but not in a PI longblock.
the more expriance will chime in.

slow2v · 10-29-2007, 02:33 PM

yea thats what i've heard. I heard my stock PI intake is perfect, just do head work with cams, larger TB and plenum and it'll all come together. I heard really the only intake worth a damn for the 4.6 is a P-51 or Bullitt, if you can find one and afford one. So, you think stock intake, get the heads worked with comp cams 270s w/springs and tune?

slow2v · 10-30-2007, 04:50 AM

I have a set of heads i was gonna get ported and polished, but for not much more, I can get the patriot stage 2 heads already assembled. Ive read some negative things, but i want to get components that go together. I dont want a guessing game, wondering if the port work is good enough, or right valves installed to match cams. Whats everyone think of Patriot stage 2 heads and some sort of stage 2 cams?? I will be adding Long Tubes as well. Also, i have 4:10 gears right now. Leave feedback on which cam is best for NA application. Im looking for a hard lopey idle as well, but dont want clearance issues. How are the Comp Cams 270s with the Patriot Stage 2 heads?? I dont really wanna hear bashing, just encouragement and whats good for this combo!!! Thanks guys!!!

bassman97 · 10-30-2007, 06:18 AM

There are better palces that offer ported/polished heads assembled w/ a better reputation than Patriot. Steen, Fox Lake Racing, Total Engine Airflow, VT Engines, and Livernois, to name a few. Just when getting heads, don't over do it w/ the more is better mentality since if the heads flow great in the higher lifts, it'll probably flow a bit less down low (and have less port velocity due to larger ports) causing you to lose some power down low.

slow2v · 10-30-2007, 08:55 AM

For the price though, thats where im looking at. Im not looking to build a full out drag car, just beefier than what it is now. Ive got 4:10 gears and full bolt ons. I know you get what you pay for, but ive seen alot of patriot heads through out websites and magazines, and seen some impressive numbers. What does everyone else think? I want everything assembeled that way i dont have to chase things down and make sure everything is matched correctly because i have no way in doing so. Whats everyone else think????

96blackgt54 · 10-30-2007, 09:28 AM

If you want your money well spent, contact Steen racing.
Jason Steen is just like us! Hard core racer, trial and error, learned from his mistakes, and made one hell of a buisness out of it.
So at least give the small guy a chance, before buying from the big guy.
Who is the "master porting guy" they match all their heads from at Patriot?

slow2v · 10-30-2007, 09:32 AM

WHICH CAMS DOES EVERYONE THINK WILL GO WITH THSES HEADS? I WANT A LOPEY SET AS WELL. COMP CAMS 270S?

mpt_1962 · 10-30-2007, 10:46 AM

quite a few people went with the VT stage 2 N/A cams on here. I bought those myself, cant give you any performance changes yet though( i havent got home to install them yet). BUT there are no PTV contact problems with them and they sell a spring kit to go with it too. VTengines.com

mpt_1962 · 10-30-2007, 12:05 PM

VT Stage 2 N/A!!!!

slow2v · 10-30-2007, 05:34 PM

i heard a mustang on youtube that has patriot stage 2 heads and stage 2 blower cams. What if i stay NA and get blower cams? Or is there a set of N/A cams that are lopey? This car had the exact sound and idle i want. Whats everyone think???

bassman97 · 10-30-2007, 06:31 PM

The problem w/ Patriot is that their products have failed too many times (search on some of the forums out there and you will see stories of springs breaking, etc.). Plus for $200 more than the stage 2 Patriots, you can get the Stage 1 Steen and Fox Lake pieces, for $100, the Livernois and VT stage 1 heads. These may flow a bit less but will make a great street head and is proven.

*03gtmustang* · 10-30-2007, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slow2v

WHICH CAMS DOES EVERYONE THINK WILL GO WITH THSES HEADS? I WANT A LOPEY SET AS WELL. COMP CAMS 270S?

A big savings fund.

blownstang · 10-30-2007, 08:49 PM

VT Stage 1 or 2. I believe stage 1's pull till about 5500rpms, and stage 2's pull past 6,000rpms. You could expect 290 - 295 rwhp. I would start working on your track times also. My car runs those times on street tires, stock clutch, and stock 3.27's. You should pull atleast a 1.9 60' with the nittos, which would get you in the 13.30's.

*03gtmustang* · 10-30-2007, 09:53 PM

You've made three threads about the same thing, stop.

slow2v · 10-31-2007, 05:08 AM

Alot of people claim they run faster times, but i haven't seen it yet. 13.6 is plenty quick for running a street car. I also have lowering springs, so it dosent help my launches. But back to what I need to know, heads and cams on a budget!! Need more info!!!1

spike_africa · 10-31-2007, 08:07 AM

Sound is not why you pick a cam. You pick a cam that matches your heads and supporting mods. Dont worry about sound worry about if it will make more power. Comp 270's and Vtstage 2's are the biggest you would want to go on stock short block without valve reliefs cut into the pistons.

blownstang · 10-31-2007, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slow2v

Alot of people claim they run faster times, but i haven't seen it yet. 13.6 is plenty quick for running a street car. I also have lowering springs, so it dosent help my launches. But back to what I need to know, heads and cams on a budget!! Need more info!!!1

I've seen it plenty of times. For the mods that you have, and the tire you are using, 13.60's are slow. I'm running a BFG KDW II tire and my 60' are better than yours and you are using a drag radial. You're right that for the street it is decently quick, but for the mods that you have it is not.

slow2v · 10-31-2007, 10:02 AM

I want the performance, but the sound is just as important to me. Im doing it to have an awesome steet car, not to be precise with 1/4 times and such. It looks killer now with the chrome 10" bullits, motor fully chromed, lowered with a rake......now time to make it quicker and sound killer. comp cams 270s and Patriot stage 2 heads is what im leaning towards since it matches. whats everyone think??

mpt_1962 · 10-31-2007, 11:02 AM

just get it already, then cut off your exhaust at the headers so its loud enough for you

slow2v · 10-31-2007, 11:14 AM

Im not gonna <racial epithet> rig my car. Its already loud, just want the lopey sound and some performance. Its crazy i cant get a simple answer? Everyone is telling me what they want done?? I just want feedback on the heads and cams together.

bassman97 · 10-31-2007, 11:20 AM

Well, you got the feedback on heads and that is don't use the Patriots. For cams, 270s are fine but a VT Stage 2 cam has more lope due to more overlap. As stated before though, you don't pick a cam based on sound, you pick it based on your overall combo. Otherwise, you won't have a good running car.

mpt_1962 · 10-31-2007, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slow2v

Im not gonna <racial epithet> rig my car. Its already loud, just want the lopey sound and some performance. Its crazy i cant get a simple answer? Everyone is telling me what they want done?? I just want feedback on the heads and cams together.

If you plan on hanging around the forum much longer you better watch the words that you choose to type. I take offense to racial comments like such, and especially my wife would. Sure wouldnt like to run into someone speaking like that at one of our GTG's.

slow2v · 10-31-2007, 11:41 AM

So, VT stage 2's are lopier than comp cams? Im still leaning towards patriots though. For the money, they are good. Everything else is too expensive. should i get blower or NA cams? i might s/c down the road? blower cams wont hurt it NA, right? just valves are held open longer for forced induction?

10-28-2007, 05:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
slow2v Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27	need advise on cams on 00GT?? hey Im new to this forum. Ive got a 2000 GT 5 speed with 41k on it. I bought it stock 3 years ago, since then ive added the following........ MAC cold air, intake spacer, Accufab 75MM plenum and TB, MAC LTs w/ MAC OR H-pipe, dual Flowmaster 40 series, BBK underdrive pulleys, Diablo Predator w/tune, FRPP 4:10 gears, SPEC 2 clutch, Steeda tri-ax shifter.....Best time so far is a 13.6@101 with a 2.1 60' on 275 Nitto DR's. My questions now. Im vey interested in putting different cams in my car. I got another set of stock PI heads being ported and polished now. What does everyone think about cam selection? I plan to stay NA for now. Ive read about Comp Cams 270 with valve springs. The guy doing the port work is putting bigger valves in as well. What set up would suit me best? Honestly, I want a hard "lope" at idle, but want the performance. Also, for the intake manifold, should i have it port matched to the heads to match the cams specs? I read the stock PI intake is good for up to 600HP applications, if ported correctly is very good. If someone is really familiar with this set up and has a few moments, i'd appreciate some feedback! P.S.....what else besides a tune will i need besides this??? stock injectors/fuelpump/ ect????

10-30-2007, 04:50 AM	#8 (permalink)
slow2v Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27	whats everyone think?? NEED FEEDBACK!!!! I have a set of heads i was gonna get ported and polished, but for not much more, I can get the patriot stage 2 heads already assembled. Ive read some negative things, but i want to get components that go together. I dont want a guessing game, wondering if the port work is good enough, or right valves installed to match cams. Whats everyone think of Patriot stage 2 heads and some sort of stage 2 cams?? I will be adding Long Tubes as well. Also, i have 4:10 gears right now. Leave feedback on which cam is best for NA application. Im looking for a hard lopey idle as well, but dont want clearance issues. How are the Comp Cams 270s with the Patriot Stage 2 heads?? I dont really wanna hear bashing, just encouragement and whats good for this combo!!! Thanks guys!!!

10-30-2007, 09:32 AM	#12 (permalink)
slow2v Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27	PATRIOT STAGE 2 HEADS WITH WHAT CAMS???? WHICH CAMS DOES EVERYONE THINK WILL GO WITH THSES HEADS? I WANT A LOPEY SET AS WELL. COMP CAMS 270S?

10-30-2007, 08:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
blownstang Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 417	VT Stage 1 or 2. I believe stage 1's pull till about 5500rpms, and stage 2's pull past 6,000rpms. You could expect 290 - 295 rwhp. I would start working on your track times also. My car runs those times on street tires, stock clutch, and stock 3.27's. You should pull atleast a 1.9 60' with the nittos, which would get you in the 13.30's. __________________ 2003 DSG Mustang GT 5spd Full Bolt On's, Full Suspension, Built Rear 271/303

10-30-2007, 09:53 PM	#19 (permalink)
03gtmustang Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern Va Posts: 3,244	You've made three threads about the same thing, stop. __________________ D&D Auto Detailing -Dan

10-29-2007, 07:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
bassman97 blank Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: North Jersey Posts: 1,485	You can't port the intake maifold since it's plastic.

10-29-2007, 09:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
slow2v Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27	so whats the best way to go about the intake manifold? Is it good stock, or do i have to go aftermarket?? I dont wanna spend a million dollars, but want some performance gains. I need some more advice on cams too. If anyone has more info, I need it!!

10-29-2007, 11:01 AM	#4 (permalink)
bassman97 blank Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: North Jersey Posts: 1,485	Intake should be fine, unless you're pushing serious power. If that's the case, Trickflow, HPS, and Fox Lake all offer manifolds.

10-29-2007, 11:52 AM	#5 (permalink)
slow2v Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27	SO 75mm TB/PLENUM with ported heads, stage 2 cams, bigger valves should work well with stock intake runners?

10-29-2007, 02:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
96blackgt54 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lawrenceburg,KY Posts: 154	Ford has made you a very good flowing intake. Even the aftermarket intakes are slightly better overall. Save your money on the intake and shoot for the cams. I believe there are issues on the comp 270 in a NON-PI short blocked, PI headed engine, but not in a PI longblock. the more expriance will chime in.

10-29-2007, 02:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
slow2v Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27	yea thats what i've heard. I heard my stock PI intake is perfect, just do head work with cams, larger TB and plenum and it'll all come together. I heard really the only intake worth a damn for the 4.6 is a P-51 or Bullitt, if you can find one and afford one. So, you think stock intake, get the heads worked with comp cams 270s w/springs and tune?

10-30-2007, 06:18 AM	#9 (permalink)
bassman97 blank Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: North Jersey Posts: 1,485	There are better palces that offer ported/polished heads assembled w/ a better reputation than Patriot. Steen, Fox Lake Racing, Total Engine Airflow, VT Engines, and Livernois, to name a few. Just when getting heads, don't over do it w/ the more is better mentality since if the heads flow great in the higher lifts, it'll probably flow a bit less down low (and have less port velocity due to larger ports) causing you to lose some power down low.

10-30-2007, 08:55 AM	#10 (permalink)
slow2v Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27	For the price though, thats where im looking at. Im not looking to build a full out drag car, just beefier than what it is now. Ive got 4:10 gears and full bolt ons. I know you get what you pay for, but ive seen alot of patriot heads through out websites and magazines, and seen some impressive numbers. What does everyone else think? I want everything assembeled that way i dont have to chase things down and make sure everything is matched correctly because i have no way in doing so. Whats everyone else think????

10-30-2007, 09:28 AM	#11 (permalink)
96blackgt54 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lawrenceburg,KY Posts: 154	If you want your money well spent, contact Steen racing. Jason Steen is just like us! Hard core racer, trial and error, learned from his mistakes, and made one hell of a buisness out of it. So at least give the small guy a chance, before buying from the big guy. Who is the "master porting guy" they match all their heads from at Patriot?

10-30-2007, 10:46 AM	#13 (permalink)
mpt_1962 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Twentynine Palms, CA Posts: 816	quite a few people went with the VT stage 2 N/A cams on here. I bought those myself, cant give you any performance changes yet though( i havent got home to install them yet). BUT there are no PTV contact problems with them and they sell a spring kit to go with it too. VTengines.com

10-30-2007, 12:05 PM	#14 (permalink)
mpt_1962 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Twentynine Palms, CA Posts: 816	VT Stage 2 N/A!!!!

10-30-2007, 05:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
slow2v Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27	i heard a mustang on youtube that has patriot stage 2 heads and stage 2 blower cams. What if i stay NA and get blower cams? Or is there a set of N/A cams that are lopey? This car had the exact sound and idle i want. Whats everyone think???

10-30-2007, 06:31 PM	#16 (permalink)
bassman97 blank Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: North Jersey Posts: 1,485	The problem w/ Patriot is that their products have failed too many times (search on some of the forums out there and you will see stories of springs breaking, etc.). Plus for $200 more than the stage 2 Patriots, you can get the Stage 1 Steen and Fox Lake pieces, for $100, the Livernois and VT stage 1 heads. These may flow a bit less but will make a great street head and is proven.

10-31-2007, 05:08 AM	#20 (permalink)
slow2v Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27	Alot of people claim they run faster times, but i haven't seen it yet. 13.6 is plenty quick for running a street car. I also have lowering springs, so it dosent help my launches. But back to what I need to know, heads and cams on a budget!! Need more info!!!1

10-31-2007, 08:07 AM	#21 (permalink)
spike_africa Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Orlando,Florida Posts: 7,367	Sound is not why you pick a cam. You pick a cam that matches your heads and supporting mods. Dont worry about sound worry about if it will make more power. Comp 270's and Vtstage 2's are the biggest you would want to go on stock short block without valve reliefs cut into the pistons. __________________ Dustin 2002 GT Mustang 5-Speed Drag Radials,Sprayed,Powershifted WOOO HOOOO!

10-31-2007, 10:02 AM	#23 (permalink)
slow2v Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27	I want the performance, but the sound is just as important to me. Im doing it to have an awesome steet car, not to be precise with 1/4 times and such. It looks killer now with the chrome 10" bullits, motor fully chromed, lowered with a rake......now time to make it quicker and sound killer. comp cams 270s and Patriot stage 2 heads is what im leaning towards since it matches. whats everyone think??

10-31-2007, 11:02 AM	#24 (permalink)
mpt_1962 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Twentynine Palms, CA Posts: 816	just get it already, then cut off your exhaust at the headers so its loud enough for you

10-31-2007, 11:14 AM	#25 (permalink)
slow2v Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27	Im not gonna <racial epithet> rig my car. Its already loud, just want the lopey sound and some performance. Its crazy i cant get a simple answer? Everyone is telling me what they want done?? I just want feedback on the heads and cams together. Last edited by r3dn3ck : 10-31-2007 at 12:18 PM.

10-31-2007, 11:20 AM	#26 (permalink)
bassman97 blank Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: North Jersey Posts: 1,485	Well, you got the feedback on heads and that is don't use the Patriots. For cams, 270s are fine but a VT Stage 2 cam has more lope due to more overlap. As stated before though, you don't pick a cam based on sound, you pick it based on your overall combo. Otherwise, you won't have a good running car.

10-31-2007, 11:41 AM	#28 (permalink)
slow2v Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27	So, VT stage 2's are lopier than comp cams? Im still leaning towards patriots though. For the money, they are good. Everything else is too expensive. should i get blower or NA cams? i might s/c down the road? blower cams wont hurt it NA, right? just valves are held open longer for forced induction? Last edited by 03gtmustang : 10-31-2007 at 02:03 PM.