Getting the most power out of a Mach I

customstang · 03-30-2006, 02:46 PM

Just so you know, this wont happen for atleast a couple years down the road, if ever... I just want to plan ahead so I know what to start researching.

I'm just wondering what is the best way to get big power out of the 4.6l 4v in the 2004 Mach I?

Supercharger? Turbocharger (does someone make one or would you have to make your own)? N/A? And what kinda of power are we talking (and money too)?

jjtgiants · 03-30-2006, 02:56 PM

There are lots of routes you can go, but go to the www.mach1registry.com and join the forum and do a search .You can find out anything and everything that could possibly ever want to know about 03/04 Mach 1's.

03-30-2006, 03:08 PM

Hell dude. That block has forged internals right? I'd get a blower with a 20lb boost!

:banana:

jjtgiants · 03-30-2006, 03:20 PM

Hell at 12psi and boltons you would probably would be pushing 450rwhp so could you imagine at 20psi!!!!

CCM · 03-30-2006, 04:30 PM

The Mach 1 engines do not have forged internals.

Blk02stang · 03-30-2006, 04:30 PM

I'de go turbo route, i've seen some video's of some nasty Mach1's turbo! I'm looking to go twin t3/t4 50mm turbo's on my GT next winter.

03-30-2006, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCM

The Mach 1 engines do not have forged internals.

No ****?
I thought the Mach1 and Cobra's 4v's had forged internals.....

Blue02GT · 03-30-2006, 05:37 PM

I believe he is correct that they do not have forged internals.

CCM · 03-30-2006, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper

No ****?
I thought the Mach1 and Cobra's 4v's had forged internals.....

The only 4v modulars that come from the factory with forged internals are the 03/04 Cobra engine, the Ford GT engine, and the upcoming Shelby GT500 5.4 DOHC.

3V2000GT · 03-30-2006, 06:53 PM

The manual has a forged crank, thats it

blownstang · 03-30-2006, 07:10 PM

You could start off by doing a full exhaust, built rearend, a few suspension things, and induction. Long tube headers = $600, Midpipe = $180-$400 (depends on the manufaturer, coating/metal, and if you get cats), Catback=$400-$600, Weld in frame connectors = $150, Upper and Lower control arms = $500, 4.10 gear = $200, 31 spine axles = $250, Eaton differential = $400, JLT CAI = $200, SCT Xcal 2 tuner = $400, MGW shifter = $180, Drag radials = $300

Total (not including labor) = about $3,800
You should be running mid 12's with these bolt ons.

Then if you want to do a turbo, supercharger or nitrous that will be extra.
Supercharger = $4,500-$5,000 (Procharger, Paxton, Vortech)
Nitrous = $1,000 (NX)
Turbo = $7,000-$9,000 (i personally don't think a turbo is worth it unless you are going all out drag racing. it's too expensive and complicated)

blownstang · 03-30-2006, 07:20 PM

Also, the stock compression is 10:1 which isn't very boost friendly. If you want to go the cheapest route and be in 11's, do the bolt ons and a 100 shot of nitrous. If you want to go faster you will need all forged internals.

matrixpuba · 03-31-2006, 08:14 AM

turbo, turbo, turbo, TURBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
twin 57's would be hot!!!

Blk02stang · 03-31-2006, 08:23 AM

if you wanted a huge amount of power...either a single T88 turbo or twin T70's would be nasty! We put a T70 on a friends drag civic and it's pushing just over 700WHP. Imagin what 2 will do on a v8!

matrixpuba · 03-31-2006, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blk02stang

if you wanted a huge amount of power...either a single T88 turbo or twin T70's would be nasty! We put a T70 on a friends drag civic and it's pushing just over 700WHP. Imagin what 2 will do on a v8!

at what rpm does he start to see boost and at what rpm does he see max boost? what psi is he running?

Blk02stang · 03-31-2006, 10:45 AM

Vtec kicks at 5600rpm and boost goes sky high at 5700rpm, and within 1k rpms it gains over 200hp! when we last tuned it, it was on 19psi, were hoping here soon with new internals and more indepth tuning to see 800whp.

MEAT · 03-31-2006, 11:39 AM

There are a couple options as far as power adder. I helped a buddy install a hellion turbo kit on his Mach 1 and he made 480rwhp through a auto on a very conservative tune and 8lbs of boost. Only other mod was a catback. Also I know KB was working on a blower for the Mach1 which still retained the shaker hood.

customstang · 03-31-2006, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MEAT

There are a couple options as far as power adder. I helped a buddy install a hellion turbo kit on his Mach 1 and he made 480rwhp through a auto on a very conservative tune and 8lbs of boost. Only other mod was a catback. Also I know KB was working on a blower for the Mach1 which still retained the shaker hood.

:banana: I'd be more than happy with that kinda of power! This isn't an all out drag car, this is my daily driver for the warm half of the year, and I'll only visit a drag strip maybe once or twice a year. I'm staying away from drag radials because they dont last very long on the street and I dont want to do anything permenant like weld in frame connectors.

Is 8 pounds of boost safe on a stock 4v?

MEAT · 03-31-2006, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by customstang

Is 8 pounds of boost safe on a stock 4v?

8lbs of boost is safe with a good tune. On another note though weld in subframe connectors isn't a bad mod. I dont think I have ever heard of a person unhappy with subframes so if your reason is because of resale value it wont hurt it.

customstang · 03-31-2006, 08:45 PM

So with a supercharger at 8lb of boost (not turbo) how much power am I looking at? How much is it gonna take off the life of the engine, and how much will it end up costing?

MEAT · 04-01-2006, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by customstang

So with a supercharger at 8lb of boost (not turbo) how much power am I looking at? How much is it gonna take off the life of the engine, and how much will it end up costing?

Supercharger w/ 8lbs of boost will still make somewere in the 400rwhp range. As far as cost it depends on which kit you choose say anywhere from 4k-7k when its all said and done just to be safe.

03-30-2006, 02:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
customstang Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 263	Getting the most power out of a Mach I Just so you know, this wont happen for atleast a couple years down the road, if ever... I just want to plan ahead so I know what to start researching. I'm just wondering what is the best way to get big power out of the 4.6l 4v in the 2004 Mach I? Supercharger? Turbocharger (does someone make one or would you have to make your own)? N/A? And what kinda of power are we talking (and money too)?

03-30-2006, 04:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
CCM Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 1,381	The Mach 1 engines do not have forged internals. __________________ 2001 MINERAL GRAY GT (5-speed) H&R SuperSports MM 4-Bolt CC Plates Stoptech SS Brake Lines '03 Cobra Brakes Spec Billet Steel Flywheel Spec Stage 2 Clutch FRPP 4.10s X-Calibrator 2 Full Length Subframes Corbeau Legacy Racing Seats 18" Gunmetal Saleen Rims w/ Nitto 555s

03-30-2006, 04:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
Blk02stang I 8urvtec!! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Va Posts: 815	I'de go turbo route, i've seen some video's of some nasty Mach1's turbo! I'm looking to go twin t3/t4 50mm turbo's on my GT next winter. __________________ New toys '07 F-150 black on black and completely blacked out! '96 Mitsu eclipse RS: 'jus your average 2nd gen with a small block 331c.i. and a few bolt-on goodies(175shot) and rwd...1st one to be done! SOLD 2004 GT Annv. edition. Custom Exhaust: o/r X pipe: Eibach Sportline full suspension: Clutchmasters stage 4 clutch: K&N filter: Steeda Tri-ax shifter: Mach 1 shift knob: BFG Drag radials: Compucar "nitrous-n-a-bag" 80-shot Stage I, Compucar Wet kit 125shot stage II

03-30-2006, 05:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	I believe he is correct that they do not have forged internals. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

03-30-2006, 06:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
3V2000GT 46MONSTER Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wheaton, IL Posts: 2,209	The manual has a forged crank, thats it __________________ 2000 GT Black on Tan, TKO 600: 370rwhp 370rwtq NA Built 3v 2004 Honda CBR 600 F4i Black/Red 2000 SVT Lightning Silver i love jinny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! lucky is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

03-30-2006, 02:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
jjtgiants jjtgiants Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dublin, CA Posts: 3,722	There are lots of routes you can go, but go to the www.mach1registry.com and join the forum and do a search .You can find out anything and everything that could possibly ever want to know about 03/04 Mach 1's.

03-30-2006, 03:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jack The Ripper Posts: n/a	Hell dude. That block has forged internals right? I'd get a blower with a 20lb boost! :banana:

03-30-2006, 03:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
jjtgiants jjtgiants Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dublin, CA Posts: 3,722	Hell at 12psi and boltons you would probably would be pushing 450rwhp so could you imagine at 20psi!!!!

03-30-2006, 07:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
blownstang Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 411	You could start off by doing a full exhaust, built rearend, a few suspension things, and induction. Long tube headers = $600, Midpipe = $180-$400 (depends on the manufaturer, coating/metal, and if you get cats), Catback=$400-$600, Weld in frame connectors = $150, Upper and Lower control arms = $500, 4.10 gear = $200, 31 spine axles = $250, Eaton differential = $400, JLT CAI = $200, SCT Xcal 2 tuner = $400, MGW shifter = $180, Drag radials = $300 Total (not including labor) = about $3,800 You should be running mid 12's with these bolt ons. Then if you want to do a turbo, supercharger or nitrous that will be extra. Supercharger = $4,500-$5,000 (Procharger, Paxton, Vortech) Nitrous = $1,000 (NX) Turbo = $7,000-$9,000 (i personally don't think a turbo is worth it unless you are going all out drag racing. it's too expensive and complicated) __________________ 2003 DSG Mustang GT 5spd Full Bolt On's, Full Suspension, Built Rear 271/303

03-30-2006, 07:20 PM	#12 (permalink)
blownstang Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 411	Also, the stock compression is 10:1 which isn't very boost friendly. If you want to go the cheapest route and be in 11's, do the bolt ons and a 100 shot of nitrous. If you want to go faster you will need all forged internals. __________________ 2003 DSG Mustang GT 5spd Full Bolt On's, Full Suspension, Built Rear 271/303

03-31-2006, 08:14 AM	#13 (permalink)
matrixpuba Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: tennessee Posts: 1,103	turbo, turbo, turbo, TURBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! twin 57's would be hot!!!

03-31-2006, 08:23 AM	#14 (permalink)
Blk02stang I 8urvtec!! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Va Posts: 815	if you wanted a huge amount of power...either a single T88 turbo or twin T70's would be nasty! We put a T70 on a friends drag civic and it's pushing just over 700WHP. Imagin what 2 will do on a v8! __________________ New toys '07 F-150 black on black and completely blacked out! '96 Mitsu eclipse RS: 'jus your average 2nd gen with a small block 331c.i. and a few bolt-on goodies(175shot) and rwd...1st one to be done! SOLD 2004 GT Annv. edition. Custom Exhaust: o/r X pipe: Eibach Sportline full suspension: Clutchmasters stage 4 clutch: K&N filter: Steeda Tri-ax shifter: Mach 1 shift knob: BFG Drag radials: Compucar "nitrous-n-a-bag" 80-shot Stage I, Compucar Wet kit 125shot stage II

03-31-2006, 10:45 AM	#16 (permalink)
Blk02stang I 8urvtec!! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Va Posts: 815	Vtec kicks at 5600rpm and boost goes sky high at 5700rpm, and within 1k rpms it gains over 200hp! when we last tuned it, it was on 19psi, were hoping here soon with new internals and more indepth tuning to see 800whp. __________________ New toys '07 F-150 black on black and completely blacked out! '96 Mitsu eclipse RS: 'jus your average 2nd gen with a small block 331c.i. and a few bolt-on goodies(175shot) and rwd...1st one to be done! SOLD 2004 GT Annv. edition. Custom Exhaust: o/r X pipe: Eibach Sportline full suspension: Clutchmasters stage 4 clutch: K&N filter: Steeda Tri-ax shifter: Mach 1 shift knob: BFG Drag radials: Compucar "nitrous-n-a-bag" 80-shot Stage I, Compucar Wet kit 125shot stage II

03-31-2006, 11:39 AM	#17 (permalink)
MEAT Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Jacksonville, Fl Posts: 54	There are a couple options as far as power adder. I helped a buddy install a hellion turbo kit on his Mach 1 and he made 480rwhp through a auto on a very conservative tune and 8lbs of boost. Only other mod was a catback. Also I know KB was working on a blower for the Mach1 which still retained the shaker hood. __________________ 02TruBluGT: miles per hour 283, MPH race heads, MPH blower cams, saving for KB2.2

03-31-2006, 08:45 PM	#20 (permalink)
customstang Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 263	So with a supercharger at 8lb of boost (not turbo) how much power am I looking at? How much is it gonna take off the life of the engine, and how much will it end up costing?

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