You say your crash had nothing to do with riding a super sport type bike, but are you entirely sure? With these bikes, as you experienced, when you're at any sort of lean angle and grab a fistful of front brake, the bike, being a race bike does what ots supposed to. the caliper pistons surge the brake pad into the big ass rotor..and the front suspension does not give a fuck if you're in a corner or not. It will react accordingly. The front tire will fold and you have a lowside type crash.

This is much less comon on a standard sport bike, because everything is much more forgiving under circumstances like these. You learned a lot from your crash.. Shit so did I. But it's avoiding unnecessary accidents is what I'm trying to get at. What if he's riding a couple months from now, cool and confident, on a gorgeous canyon road. He decided to go against popular opinion and get a 09 gsxr 600. It's all good, he's got some miles under the belt. He knows what's up. Enters a corner and sees some gravel, oh shit! Front brake! Lowside off the side of the canyon.

There are a million situations like the stupid one I came up with. It has a lot to do with chance.. But also a lot to do with the decisions you make as a rider.

If he's doing his reading, taking classes and looking up videos. I don't see why there is a problem, even though I don't encourage him to get a Super Sport. Not to mention doing Motorcross which will help a whole lot. My point of view is different I guess and the way we do things down here.

What about having a Motard for a first bike? LOL
How long have you been riding?

I think the whole thing comes down to why even risk it?

I bought my 250 for hella cheap, and sold it back for only $300 less than I bought it. With another 1,000+ miles on the clock when I sold it. Then I bought my R6 and multiple bikes since then.

But I took the class, and I started out on the 250. Had plenty of close calls but thanks to the 250 being a lighter bike and less of a full-on race bike, I was able to catch myself and not get my ass seriously hurt.

Why take the risk of buying an expensive bike, having a higher risk of seriously getting hurt, and having something much more expensive to replace? It's a no-brainer in my opinion. Buy something cheap and slow, learn the physics of it all, learn yourself and how to react. Then step up to a bigger bike. You're not going to lose out on anything but a couple of hundred bucks if that, guaranteed.

The 250 isn't that much lighter compared to a 600 class.

A brand-new ninja 250R is 60lbs. lighter than a ZX6R....60lbs is quite a bit if you're trying to catch yourself on one leg in the middle of a high-side. Trust me.

I just realized how much I confused my self in this whole thread. Leading my self to thinking the 650 was a SS. :( haha I need to sleep.

2010 Ninja 250R: 374.9
2010 ZX-6R: 401.2
That's not even close to 60lbs.. lol

Eidt:
Nevermind.
2011 Ninja: 374.9
2011 ZX-6R: 421.2

Interesting how mine is faster and older, but yet lighter than both them.

yea, let threads like these keep going all the way... lol, I'm still a very noob member on here, but I can tell it's not very lively compared to how it used to be.

And to everyone else, I've been getting so many replies that I can't get to them all, you guys have been really helpfull... and when I am ready to buy a bike in a few month, I will give you guys all the details and let you give some input.

I'll reply to some more comments when I get back on, but i gotta head out the door now.

It's not as lively cause half the people who started flamewars eventually got pissed off enough that they left, lol.

hey, Im still here. lol.

Haha. Where is Stephen when you need him :p

Or meatSpin... er...I mean Spin.

But ZOMG he has another set of $5k rims for a different exotic car this week.

Just make sure that you do all the research on whatever bike you're getting so you'll know exactly how much power, and whatever else you're going to be dealing with, and get a good feel for it before you take it out on the road, and dont let 08cockstain_DP discourage you on whatever you decide to buy.

Lol good one! I'm glad we still have some highschoolers on this board. Your immaturity supersedes you.

Considering the fact I've raced and rode streetbikes for years now, my opinion is obviously bullshit.

But lets listen to the guy who doesn't even own a bike!!! Because he is the OBVIOUS genius!

BikerSk8rKid, this guy is a squid. Fishy wasn't wrong.

I like how you keep saying been riding and racing streetbikes for years, yet, you are only 19! Earlier, you posted you've owned multiple bikes but how many bikes could a 19 year old really have owned and gone through? Did you just say 'multiple' to dress up that you really onle gone through a couple bikes? Either way you have owned more motorcycles than I have in my life but I'm just here to throw out a bullshit flag. You come off as pretty arrogant and it humors me. So, I thank you for that :t:

Who did that? King? lol.

I'm really wanting a ninja... but since it's my first bike, the majority of you think I should get the 250r, correct? And even though the 650r isn't a super sport, that still might be too much for a noob?

Maybe Tuesday I'll go check out the bike shop. Just to see them, not buying new.

you'll be fine on a 650r. it's a great starter bike. what ever you feel comfortable on...both good choices.

+1
Get the Ninja 650.
The 250R is a Ninja as well, just so you know. haha

I would go with the 650R.

yea, i knew that. lol... i meant i really wanted a ninja, so i would probably just be choosing between the ninja 250 or 650, instead of some of the other brands suggested.

Do you mean you want a more sporty look one? haha
I got passed by a 250 Ninja today. :O

The 08+ 250 ninja looks pretty sweet IMO. But 650 seems like the logical median.

'11 Busa or you're a fucking bitch. Period.


RIDE HARD OR GO HOME!!!!!

I keed, I keed.

No no no, you got it all wrong. Go with the 1198 SP. :D

DIE LIKE A BOSS:evil:

I believe!

BALEEDAT!

hahahaha. Glad to see that you're so caught up in being a douchebag, that you cant even pay attention to detail. I own a bike. I dont know how you missed that. Oh wait. Its probably because you're just a fucking idiot.

And you're just an internet e-thug that failed to realize I have 5+ years of experience on street bikes, both on street and track situations.

But let's not get into specifics. I don't measure my dick size by the amount of people I piss off on the internet, nor do I stoop so low as to getting roid rage on something so so serious as the interwebz.

This forum doesn't need your highschool drama bullshit. Nothing you have posted in this thread has been useful, only trying to make yourself seem like some badass. How about you meet me or Fishy in real life and lets see how big that mouth of yours really is.