Your probably right. haha
But I'm just sick of people using that word when they don't even know what it means. It's fucking pathetic and very annoying. Even then, who cares if their a squid. I know people who hate that shit, but it's okay for the girls to do it? ROFL

I didn't wear gear for 2 years and I sitll don't have full/proper gear. Who gives a fuck what they wear, it's their body and their choice, not yours.

Heh. You brought the forums back to life.

Dude, I stopped at a gas station on my way home the other night and saw some dude with his chic on a crotch rocket, and she basically wasnt even wearing and cloths. Her shorts were so short you could see the cottage cheese on her ass, and her shirt was one of those loose cut out neck things that bitches wear, and I could literally count every roll on her body. To top it all off she was wearing flip flops. Bye bye toes..hello broken ankles. If that dude would have layed that bike down that chic would've live the rest of her life looking like old dried up pizza. Oh well...she was hideous anyhow.

I wear all my shit about 90% of the time unless Im only going up the road....boots get pretty annoying to lace up after a while, and my jacket just a little too big so its gets uncomfortable from time to time.

Interesting reading.

Last year my work mate passed his test after some 2 week intensive course having never rode a bike in his nelly fuckin puff. He completed it on his first ever bike that he bought for the course and to learn on. A 600 Suzuki Bandit. He had it less than 6 months after passing and traded it in for a 1200 Bandit. He lost a few $$ on the original but is obsessed with the bigger machine.

Theres another guy that I know thats had a 125 for the last two years. Depends on the individual.

Oh damn, shit got real nigga. Cant believe were actually arguing this far about it.

Girls here so far are actually good looking, that ride. I can't wait to get proper gear that fits me. My friends gear, the jacket isn't long enough, arms are okay and the top kneck interfears with my helmet a lot. For some reason it feels like it kind of chokes me and always moves up my neck/body. The gloves are perfect, but not for the winter. :( haha
I like riding without gear durning the Summer and sometimes when it's warm enough durning the winter. But until I get proper gear, I have no idea. I actually use my hoodie a lot, but I don't like to because it's way to big and it just floops all over the place. haha

Exactly, this is what I'm talking about. To each their own. I want and always have wanted a Ducati 1098 and now I wouldn't mind the 1198 since they came out. But after having my 636 I want to keep it and have the other one as a second dairly. I did want the Hayabusa at first for my height and weight, but not so much now.

Theres two basic types of riders. Those who have gone down, and those who have yet to go down.

First bike should be used unless you are rich and money is nothing to you.

NO matter what your going to go down. Frame sliders should be the first thing to buy for the bike.
and I believe that EVERYONE goes down at least once durning the winter and usually doesn't go down again. haha

Deleted my unrelated posts. If you feel like shit talking go ahead and start a thread in the right sub-forum.

And so many people crash because the bike was too much for them to handle. I don't know if you're basing your opinion on personal experience or what. 80% or crashes I read about or hear about are either too much throttle or too much brake on a first time race ready bike. These bikes are literally made for the race track and are incredibly fun on the street. But a novice who 'trusts his instincts' will crash. Because a lot of the time on a bike our instincts are wrong. For example.. In a turn, back tire slides out, first instinct is to chop the throttle. Well that will land your ass in a highside. As you very well may know,, the correct response would be to hold throttle, steer into the turn, and ease off slowly. These correct responses need to be trained into you over time... And mistakes are just way too easy to make on a supersport. And they are so much less forgiving when you do make them.

+1, which is why we're all telling you (with the exception of one douche) to start on something small and something cheap. Because more than likely shit will happen, and shit can getting broke, and on a smaller/cheaper bike this will be much less of a problem.

Do as you wish, but there are reasons that so many people advocate starting on a 250. I'm an adrenaline junkie through-and-through, but I am a very strong believer in knowing what you're working with first and not just jumping onto the high horse. Karma is a bitch, and she will knock your ass out if you think that you can escape her. So I say don't push it.

I must assume it's different there. Because the same amount of SuperSport crashes have the same amount of sport and yes A LOT of 250's. I'm not bashing, besides the fact he's using squid for something that isn't even the meaning of it. When you have an OH SHIT moment your more than likely to go down. Another thing in the corner that you forgot to mention is people trying to use their front brakes. That was my first mistake on my first crash. I also believe if you go take a class, you will learn on a smaller bike and that should be enough experince to gradulate the class and get a bigger bike. But that's just in my personal opinion, it's different for everyone. Don't mind me, I'm just blabbing away. I just don't like the fact that everyone is trying to scare him with these bigger bikes and have nothing but bad things to say about it. When I think it should be more mutural, good and bad people experince.

I feel as if you crash you learn a lot from it. My first crashed changed A LOT about how I was riding and made a huge impact on me.

Edit: Don't mind me, I've been overly bored and half asleep. haha
If you are confident and wont go over your head you wont have a problem, plain and simple. I'm not telling him he needs to go getting a SuperSport, but just to go with what he feels he can handle, confident and can manage, as well as afford.

You say your crash had nothing to do with riding a super sport type bike, but are you entirely sure? With these bikes, as you experienced, when you're at any sort of lean angle and grab a fistful of front brake, the bike, being a race bike does what ots supposed to. the caliper pistons surge the brake pad into the big ass rotor..and the front suspension does not give a fuck if you're in a corner or not. It will react accordingly. The front tire will fold and you have a lowside type crash.

This is much less comon on a standard sport bike, because everything is much more forgiving under circumstances like these. You learned a lot from your crash.. Shit so did I. But it's avoiding unnecessary accidents is what I'm trying to get at. What if he's riding a couple months from now, cool and confident, on a gorgeous canyon road. He decided to go against popular opinion and get a 09 gsxr 600. It's all good, he's got some miles under the belt. He knows what's up. Enters a corner and sees some gravel, oh shit! Front brake! Lowside off the side of the canyon.

There are a million situations like the stupid one I came up with. It has a lot to do with chance.. But also a lot to do with the decisions you make as a rider.

If he's doing his reading, taking classes and looking up videos. I don't see why there is a problem, even though I don't encourage him to get a Super Sport. Not to mention doing Motorcross which will help a whole lot. My point of view is different I guess and the way we do things down here.

What about having a Motard for a first bike? LOL
How long have you been riding?

I think the whole thing comes down to why even risk it?

I bought my 250 for hella cheap, and sold it back for only $300 less than I bought it. With another 1,000+ miles on the clock when I sold it. Then I bought my R6 and multiple bikes since then.

But I took the class, and I started out on the 250. Had plenty of close calls but thanks to the 250 being a lighter bike and less of a full-on race bike, I was able to catch myself and not get my ass seriously hurt.

Why take the risk of buying an expensive bike, having a higher risk of seriously getting hurt, and having something much more expensive to replace? It's a no-brainer in my opinion. Buy something cheap and slow, learn the physics of it all, learn yourself and how to react. Then step up to a bigger bike. You're not going to lose out on anything but a couple of hundred bucks if that, guaranteed.

The 250 isn't that much lighter compared to a 600 class.

A brand-new ninja 250R is 60lbs. lighter than a ZX6R....60lbs is quite a bit if you're trying to catch yourself on one leg in the middle of a high-side. Trust me.

I just realized how much I confused my self in this whole thread. Leading my self to thinking the 650 was a SS. :( haha I need to sleep.

2010 Ninja 250R: 374.9
2010 ZX-6R: 401.2
That's not even close to 60lbs.. lol

Eidt:
Nevermind.
2011 Ninja: 374.9
2011 ZX-6R: 421.2

Interesting how mine is faster and older, but yet lighter than both them.

yea, let threads like these keep going all the way... lol, I'm still a very noob member on here, but I can tell it's not very lively compared to how it used to be.

And to everyone else, I've been getting so many replies that I can't get to them all, you guys have been really helpfull... and when I am ready to buy a bike in a few month, I will give you guys all the details and let you give some input.

I'll reply to some more comments when I get back on, but i gotta head out the door now.

It's not as lively cause half the people who started flamewars eventually got pissed off enough that they left, lol.

hey, Im still here. lol.

Haha. Where is Stephen when you need him :p

Or meatSpin... er...I mean Spin.

But ZOMG he has another set of $5k rims for a different exotic car this week.

Just make sure that you do all the research on whatever bike you're getting so you'll know exactly how much power, and whatever else you're going to be dealing with, and get a good feel for it before you take it out on the road, and dont let 08cockstain_DP discourage you on whatever you decide to buy.

Lol good one! I'm glad we still have some highschoolers on this board. Your immaturity supersedes you.

Considering the fact I've raced and rode streetbikes for years now, my opinion is obviously bullshit.

But lets listen to the guy who doesn't even own a bike!!! Because he is the OBVIOUS genius!

BikerSk8rKid, this guy is a squid. Fishy wasn't wrong.

I like how you keep saying been riding and racing streetbikes for years, yet, you are only 19! Earlier, you posted you've owned multiple bikes but how many bikes could a 19 year old really have owned and gone through? Did you just say 'multiple' to dress up that you really onle gone through a couple bikes? Either way you have owned more motorcycles than I have in my life but I'm just here to throw out a bullshit flag. You come off as pretty arrogant and it humors me. So, I thank you for that :t:

Who did that? King? lol.

I'm really wanting a ninja... but since it's my first bike, the majority of you think I should get the 250r, correct? And even though the 650r isn't a super sport, that still might be too much for a noob?

Maybe Tuesday I'll go check out the bike shop. Just to see them, not buying new.

you'll be fine on a 650r. it's a great starter bike. what ever you feel comfortable on...both good choices.

+1
Get the Ninja 650.
The 250R is a Ninja as well, just so you know. haha

I would go with the 650R.

yea, i knew that. lol... i meant i really wanted a ninja, so i would probably just be choosing between the ninja 250 or 650, instead of some of the other brands suggested.

Do you mean you want a more sporty look one? haha
I got passed by a 250 Ninja today. :O

The 08+ 250 ninja looks pretty sweet IMO. But 650 seems like the logical median.

'11 Busa or you're a fucking bitch. Period.


RIDE HARD OR GO HOME!!!!!

I keed, I keed.

No no no, you got it all wrong. Go with the 1198 SP. :D

DIE LIKE A BOSS:evil:

I believe!

BALEEDAT!

hahahaha. Glad to see that you're so caught up in being a douchebag, that you cant even pay attention to detail. I own a bike. I dont know how you missed that. Oh wait. Its probably because you're just a fucking idiot.

And you're just an internet e-thug that failed to realize I have 5+ years of experience on street bikes, both on street and track situations.

But let's not get into specifics. I don't measure my dick size by the amount of people I piss off on the internet, nor do I stoop so low as to getting roid rage on something so so serious as the interwebz.

This forum doesn't need your highschool drama bullshit. Nothing you have posted in this thread has been useful, only trying to make yourself seem like some badass. How about you meet me or Fishy in real life and lets see how big that mouth of yours really is.