University of Utah students allowed to carry guns at school
 

WOW! I understand both sides of the argument, but I'm not sure college kids carrying guns to class is the answer.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/20/cnnu.guns/index.html

Doesn't every college student do so?;)

only if they are part of the University of Miami or Florida St football team!

totally against it....totally...

I'm fine with it I know I wouldn't start shit if I knew anyone could be packing. But I think this is a knee jerk reaction to the school shootings and maybe they should consider some stipulations like they need to know exactly who is carrying.

He has a CCL, I don't see what the problem is.

I think if you have a CCL you should be allowed to carry on campus, otherwise what's the point? The types of people I know who have CCls aren't the kind to flaunt or brag about it, they wouldn't go "hey check out my gun, look how cool I am," they're mature and responsible individuals and I'd trust them with more a firearm over some police officers.

I can see the headline now

PROFFESOR ANNOUNCES POP QUIZ. DIES IN HAIL OF GUN FIRE.:2gunsfiring1:

I wish our campus would do that. IF you're licensed to carry it around anyways, why not on campus?

Best idea EVAR.

WHY SHOOT UP A SCHOOL?

Cause it is easy, students are not allowed to have guns, you can walk in there and shoot kids at your leisure, and you have PLENTY of time to shoot yourself before the cops come, because hey, thats what they do, they shoot a bunch of kids them shoot themselves cause they are too chickenshit to go to jail.

However, if students with concealed weapons permits are allowed to carry thier guns to class, MAYBE they will think it is not a good target cause they might get shot, injured, disarmed, and arrested?


THEN MAYBE NEXT TIME A GUY LOCKS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN A ROOM AND STARTS SHOOTING THEY CAN DEFEND THEMSELVES INSTEAD OF SITTING AROUND BEING KILLED LIKE SITTING DUCKS.

i support this shit 100%

If the student has a concealed weapons permit, i FULLY support them carrying it in school.



I mean shit, WHO THE HELL are they supposed to rely on for safety?

The school security? Lets wait for them to show up, in the meantime Mr. Gunman, feel free to kill another 12 students.

Police? With WHAT sort of responce time?

How about Mr. 9mm in the hand of a competant shot that is ALREADY there?



Honestly i think this is the best decision.


Face it, college campuses are IMPOSSIBLE to secure. There are NOT enough police to keep everyone safe, not enough security, and even doubling or tripling security, it is NOT a secure location, ANYONE can get a gun in there. Plain and simple.

Putting more restrictions on the school and banning guns from the students does NOTHING to help, if ANYTHING, it makes the students more vulnerable.


Which headline is better?

Seems like a no brainer to me.

if you would all rather just have all yer friends/kids defenceless ripe for the killing that is your issue.



As for the question "Will this raise the number of school shootings?" I dont see any evidence why this would. Were talking about college kids here. A bunch of pot smoking hippies and athletes, not known violent criminals.

sure it should be regulated, they should have no criminal record, have a concealed weapons permit, register with the school, and go through extra gun safety courses of course. but it aint a bad idea

lol... thats some funny shit right thar

EDIT: or.. COP TAZES STUDENT FOR RETURNING LIBRARY BOOK LATE, STUDENT SHOOTS COP.

I agree with Jack he makes a great point. Yes this will probably not stop the crazies from shooting up schools altogether but the body counts will be nowhere near as high... It's harder to kill wolves than sheep.

the only thing that will be accomplished by arming the students is the wacko who starts the killing spree will have more guns when he starts taking them off the kids bodys......when the guy opens fire in the cafeteria i cant see too many kids jumping up and shooting back...sure having the gun will make you feel better but thats it...its a dumb idea

Eh....I'm gonna have to disagree, street.

Oh and you have to realize, you must be 21 to be qualified for a CCL, so it won't exactly be kids with guns.

Jack FTW!!!!! I couldn't have said it better.

I disagree. In fact. How many people back from Iraq are now in college using thier college money? You dont think they will shoot back? You think that people are unable to act to save thier own lives?

The fact is YES, not all people have the balls to shoot back, but i think your are underestimating the number of people that WILL have the nerve to shoot back. Odds are the ones who actually go out, learn how to shoot, and get thier concealed weapons licence, and buy the gun, and strap it on, im pretty sure they will also fire back.

Not to mention these gunmen are not usually highly trained assassins here, if they were the death tolls would be a lot higher, most of the time they are people of lower intelligence with severe emotional problems, not navy seals.

Just because the population generally consists of non violent doesent mean that they will all just lay down and die if something happens, i think you seriously misjudge peoples desire to live.

You bet your ass if somone comes into a place where i am and they start shooting, if i have a gun ill throw some lead through the back of his head without hesitation



And HOPEFULLY if there are students with guns the person will think twice about shooting the place up. If they think they are gonna get shot, it will probably discourage shootings from happening in the first place.



But hey, if you wanna make sure nobody has a gun but the bad guy, because you honestly believe they are better off being 100% defenceless when somebody is trying to kill them, why not go out there and cook the next gunman a steak dinner while he is at it, maybe give him a foot massage, or even better yet, why not just lock the students in thier desk? lets make it as easy as possible, and make sure it is the best target for somone who wants to kill a buncha peeps.

lol

i dno ... after all the drunk and even not drunk fights ive seen here at school at football games and frat parties i could definitely see some drunk ass holes thinking they were all badass and bringing their gun out

People who have gone through all the effort and paperwork to get a CCL aren't going to just get hammered and whip their guns out and risk losing their CCL or the right to even own a handgun.

I dunno.. possible... but think of all the dumbasses who get drunk and have guns and dont shoot somone...

that IS a pretty hefty line to cross for most people.

Yeah, like greg! lol

im sorry but if some one starts shooting and im not the first one to get shot and i have a gun i am shooting that basturd.

not talking about the will to shoot back...i'm talking about the physical ability to shoot back...by now i think we've all seen the videos online of the various school shootings...they (the shooters) didnt exactly announce their intent... they walk in with automatic weapons and boom boom boom ...the gunfight is over....none of those kids were in a position to shoot back...i dont even think I would be able to shoot back in that situation...i think they need better security....i think more metal detectors and a secure perimeter might be a better idea

youre an officer so i would hope so...lol...

I figure the best time to plug the greenhorn would be while they are reloading, as they do in a lot of these school shootings.

im sure it lasts more than a minuit or two.... a few seconds to process what is happening is enough time for a lot of people to respond..


I know you dont agree, thats your opinion as much as i want to verbally beat you into submission so you can see how my point of view is obviously the only correct one and classify you as an "Idiot" in this subject in my book i guess i should just say i disagree. You have any idea how hard that is for me to do? It something im trying to work on, baby steps dude baby steps, but i digress, yer an idiot for not agreeing with me.

The point is there is the whole "Avoidance" concept where maybe the gunman wouldnt do it if he knew somone there might be shooting back.

Bad = Gunman shooting school up

Good = Students being able to protect themselves and fight back

Best = Gunman knows students may be armed, decides it is not worth the risk and decides to just hang himself instead.


I mean seriously, there is a reason they shoot up schools instead of the local NRA club.

Yeah..if nothing is done to help students protect themselves the saying's gonna be "Go to Iraq and risk losing your limbs from an IED, or go to a university and get shot!"

i had my ccp before i was an officer and i would have done the then and you are right if i couldnt do it now i shoukd find another job.

I just spent 4 years in the Marines and I'm going to college with the GI bill. I got my CCP last summer. You're damned right I'm going to fire back if I see it. I hope this (allowing students to carry) happens here.

i like the american gun laws....canada sucks. people get shot everyday but people who are bringing up guns from the states.......no one in canada is allowed to have a gun. just cops and armored truck guys. thats it. no civilians are alowed to protect themselves. were allowed to carry a blade no bigger then the palm of our hand.

im certain you've all heard the saying bring a gun to a knife fight.

i hate canada

So do I! BLAME CANADA! BLAME CANADA!

well I did that...and I got arressted.

You got arrested for blaming Canada? That's kinda weird....