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Black01 10-17-2004 05:18 PM

2564.6675159235665

woot :cool:

math powa!

03BullittClone 10-18-2004 07:29 AM

Contest
 

Originally Posted by ChrisXoxide
I get a kick out of everyone here posting up answers, corrections, etc etc. I'll be on later to declare the winner. I don't know for sure the answer until I get home. If I were to guess myself I'd say (without a calculator on hand) somehwere around 2700.

Make sure not to actually EDIT your post or it won't count.

How we doin'?

decoy562 10-18-2004 08:22 AM

2696.6234472782

TayWolf55 10-18-2004 02:00 PM

I know Chris saw this thread... are we all wrong? lol

Mustang Tuning 10-18-2004 03:14 PM

Shh...It's a trick question. ;)

madmatt 10-18-2004 03:21 PM

AH! Maybe the answer is "within 25 RPMS"... Oh man that would rule. Thats my new guess. :D

Mustang Tuning 10-18-2004 03:28 PM

Now that would be funny. Mean...but funny.

TayWolf55 10-18-2004 03:30 PM

I'm changing my guess to "within 25 RPMS"

madmatt 10-18-2004 03:35 PM

HAHA too bad I already guessed it lol.

TayWolf55 10-18-2004 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by madmatt
HAHA too bad I already guessed it lol.


Originally Posted by Chris from last Contest
Trick question? hahah, no! Why would I intentionally try to trick you?! Putting some ideas in my head though =D

You said... "maybe" :p plus you already won once. Your out of the running. :D :p

madmatt 10-18-2004 04:52 PM

Am I really, lol never read that...oh its mine lol.

GreyGhost 10-18-2004 05:46 PM

really really too late
 
2496.7557592713847

bshiek 10-18-2004 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by ChrisXoxide
At 75MPH in 5th gear, on stock 17 inch wheels and tires, a GT with a TR3650 transmission is at what RPM - with 4.10 rear gears? First to guess within 25 RPMs.

Hey, are we talking about a Ford GT? ;) They don't have stock 17 inchers -- they are 18s. :D

Ok, they don't run a 3650 either.

ChrisXoxide 10-19-2004 01:22 AM

At 75 MPH in 5th gear, your motor is turning at 2,495.4 RPM

BAM. Who wins here? I'm almost sure this is EXACT.

ChrisXoxide 10-19-2004 01:27 AM

Ok... looks like 03BullittClone, I think he was the first to officially post his RPM though, correct? 03BullittClone, PM me man, we will work things out.

03BullittClone 10-19-2004 06:00 AM

Old hot rodders RULE!
 

Originally Posted by ChrisXoxide
Ok... looks like 03BullittClone, I think he was the first to officially post his RPM though, correct? 03BullittClone, PM me man, we will work things out.

SLP catted X, come to papa!

bshiek 10-19-2004 06:10 AM

Congrats, Clone!

Chris, can you provide the details on how you calculated that? -- turn this into a tech thread. :D Many of us could use the lesson.

03BullittClone 10-19-2004 06:29 AM

RPM calc.
 

Originally Posted by bshiek
Congrats, Clone!

Chris, can you provide the details on how you calculated that? -- turn this into a tech thread. :D Many of us could use the lesson.

I applied an old hot rodders rule of thumb, updated for 5-speeds. See Modular Tech Forum, thread "Choosing Gears". However, I would also be interested in the formal calculation, if it can be provided. Speaking for myself, I know the advent of sophisticated computer programs have generally made me "math lazy".

Black01 10-19-2004 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by 03BullittClone
I applied an old hot rodders rule of thumb, updated for 5-speeds. See Modular Tech Forum, thread "Choosing Gears". However, I would also be interested in the formal calculation, if it can be provided. Speaking for myself, I know the advent of sophisticated computer programs have generally made me "math lazy".

theres online calcs that you type all the ratios in and the speed, the only varation would be the tire size, i went out and measured my tires to get the size, i guess it wasent right, congrats man!

bshiek 10-19-2004 09:27 AM

I used the engine speed calculator from Modular Depot, and I haven't figured out what I missed yet. Somebody please show me the light. Thanks!

http://www.modulardepot.com/engine_speed.xls

Basically,

diameter = section/25.4*aspectratio*2/100+wheel

rpm = gear*transratio*75*336/diameter

For example:

gear = 4.10
transratio = 0.67
speed = 75

Tire diameter:
section = 245
aspectratio = 45
wheel = 17

diameter = 245/25.4*45*2/100+17
rpm = 4.10*0.67*75*336/25.68

I must have missed the diameter too!

ChrisXoxide 10-19-2004 10:49 AM

http://www.tchracing.com/tech/gearca...selectedgear=1



Originally Posted by bshiek
I used the engine speed calculator from Modular Depot, and I haven't figured out what I missed yet. Somebody please show me the light. Thanks!

http://www.modulardepot.com/engine_speed.xls

Basically,

diameter = section/25.4*aspectratio*2/100+wheel

rpm = gear*transratio*75*336/diameter

For example:

gear = 4.10
transratio = 0.67
speed = 75

Tire diameter:
section = 245
aspectratio = 45
wheel = 17

diameter = 245/25.4*45*2/100+17
rpm = 4.10*0.67*75*336/25.68

I must have missed the diameter too!


bshiek 10-19-2004 11:36 AM

Thanks, Chris! I am curious which transmission ratio that calculator uses. Maybe I'll email them about it. Another calculator that is referred to on the tchracing forums is at http://www.f-body.org/gears/. This one shows the RPMs at 2700.

I want to see the actual calculation and tranny ratios so that I can estimate my trap speeds in the future. Plus the logic interests me. :cool:

bshiek 10-19-2004 12:00 PM

Here is another calculator that outputs conflicting numbers...at least when I use 0.67 for a tranny ratio.
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/Detailed/608.shtml

At this point this isn't about the contest, but I do want people to use the right calculations when they're deciding on gears and such. This is my research (dunno if it would be considered tech yet) contribution to this board.

ChrisXoxide 10-19-2004 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by bshiek
Here is another calculator that outputs conflicting numbers...at least when I use 0.67 for a tranny ratio.
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/Detailed/608.shtml

At this point this isn't about the contest, but I do want people to use the right calculations when they're deciding on gears and such. This is my research (dunno if it would be considered tech yet) contribution to this board.



TR3650 is .62 5th gear though?

Black01 10-19-2004 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by ChrisXoxide
TR3650 is .62 5th gear though?

thought it was .62? what is the tire size?

bshiek 10-19-2004 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by ChrisXoxide
TR3650 is .62 5th gear though?

Here is what I have found for the 3650 from multiple sources:
1st 3.37
2nd 1.99
3rd 1.33
4th 1.00
5th 0.67

But then I found this on Tremec's site (see the link to pdf):
1st 3.38
2nd 2.00
3rd 1.32
4th 1.00
5th 0.67

http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English...nsed_Specs.pdf

I understand that these could be different for different model years in the mustang lineup. Curious stuff... I wish I was home so I could look in my Helm's manual.

bshiek 10-19-2004 12:51 PM

More findings...

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthr...highlight=3650
To quote DHG-Bullitt-GT on this thread:
"The pre 2002 T3650 have 5th as .67 the 2002 and up have .61 for 5th..."

Also tremec's site shows two different ratios that could have been used:
http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English...ts/TR-3650.asp


Maybe we should have specified which model year mustang to estimate for...

TayWolf55 10-19-2004 01:22 PM

I vote Bullit Clone and I both get $50 gift certificates.

GreyGhost 10-19-2004 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by GreyGhost
2496.7557592713847

i vote next time the answer must be within 1 rpm!
signed,
sore loser :D


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