No luck at the track

Stangdude27 · 11-27-2004, 05:07 AM

Superchips suck. I ran 4 passes at the track. Each run exactly in the order of counting up 14.0 to 14.4 I never hit 14.3. anyway I went stock program and I get 14.0 I make to runs stock sec run 14.2. I swap to the tuner and gained .2 on the 1/4. All my times don't really matter at this point. I have 3.73 s I have CAI I even swapped Stanger00 's TB and nothing. My car ran 14.2 with really no mods. And this is killing my hopes of getting the car down to 13 before year end. I'll be killing the 13 by march. Should I get the thing polished and ported! Maybe the engine is a piece of crap. Someone give me some advice on good upgrades to get the car down to the 13's

*4.6 Love* · 11-27-2004, 09:26 AM

A couple of things you need to look at first and that you should take in consideration! First off you're a vert and therefore alot heavier than hardtops! I think us vert weigh around 36xx-38xx lbs! So we start out with a disadvantage! Second! with your current mods you more than enough to already be in the high 13's! Also you don't specify wether your car is a 5-speed or not! If youre a 5-speed I think you can't drive and need some practice! If youre an auto you got the wrong gears and should have gone with some 4.10's! Third, I don't know wether you are on sticky tires or not, if not I suggest you get yourself a set of Nitto Dr's or BF's Dr's, any of the two will do just fine! On a side note, 17's tires will give you a better E.T. than 18' tires so I would have gone with some 17's but I think you went with 18's for the look right? Anywho, with some practice and a good launch you'll be in the 13's in no time!

Miguel

WaterDR · 11-27-2004, 11:09 AM

It's frustrating to put money in the car and see no gains.

Can you provide more details from your slips? Perhaps Dean can chime in as he is a real expert at looking at slips and diagnosing problems.

*madmatt* · 11-27-2004, 11:27 AM

Let us know more details about the car, and let us know what your 60 foot times were. Those are a VERY important factor in how the car performs at the strip. Youll get there man, dont lose hope.

Blue02GT · 11-27-2004, 02:44 PM

If I read correctly you picked up 2 tenth's from your tune. That is good, that's equal to 20 hp.
You have to post all your sixty foot times, weather data and describe your launches. Did you spin etc.
As stated by others Verts are slower due to weight.
You have pullies (5 hp)
cold air (no gain)
K & N filter (5 hp)
X pipe & Catback 10 -15 hp
Sounds like you are running big heavy wheels and tires, this will slow you down. Blake had the same problem, heavy car big tires and wheels. 14.0 with what you have is not bad. Make a few changes and you can go mid 13's.
Run a set of DR's on light weight wheels at the track. Work work work on your sixty foot time, it's everything. Shift at 5800 rpm. Don't short shift you'll kill your top end. Did you take out your spare tire and jack? Have you removed the dog bone from the rear end? Front sway bar? Run less than a quarter tank of gas, pump your front tires up to 45 psi. There are alot of little things that add up. Take out the back seat before you go to the track, 70 lbs. savings. Most of all don't get discouraged, keep getting out and practicing.

stanger00 · 11-27-2004, 03:30 PM

as far as i know he went to the track again today and he is running the stock t/b and my 17's. he only bought 3.73's b/c of a later mod he plans on getting. im not sure but everytime we flashed my ecu my car shifted too late or too soon like at 5500, could that be a factor on the slower et's. ah found a time slip he turned a 60' at 2.09 not bad and a 1/8th 9.08 at 78 and his e/t 14.08 at 98. "hope you had some gains today at the track man"
hey blue he lost 2 tenths with the tune not gained

Blue02GT · 11-27-2004, 07:57 PM

Okay, I must not have read correctly. You are also correct about the the shifting at 5500, mine did that prior to my tune. Before my tune I was faster shifting the car myself because of that.

Stangdude27 · 11-28-2004, 02:34 PM

Alright my frustrating car. I ran faster on friday than I did Saturday.
Friday RT .097 60' 2.090
330 5.953 I'm getting Nitrous
1/8 9.086 78.45 this week. I figure a 75
1000 11.794 will due some great stuff
1/4 14.080
98.84
Thats with bigger TB no chip program
Sat Run 1
60' 2.144
1/4 14.304 97.36
Program installed
Run 5
60' 2.055
1/4 14.158 97.09

Stangdude27 · 11-28-2004, 02:37 PM

also my car is an Automatic vert. I did run on 17x8's hopefully I can get some Drag radials soon.

Oh ya Saturdays runs were done with stock TB
I'm think'n'n bigger throttle body and putting my old X-pipe back on with nitrous will I be crank'n' out 13's or what?

Stangdude27 · 11-28-2004, 02:41 PM

Also this Saturday I"m going back to Cecil and let Stanger00 take the car for a look to see what's up I'm just not to happy with the set up and maybe another person can figurre it out....maybe chuck the passenger seat and back seat to lose more poundage. I think with nitrous I can see more gains but I'ld rather have all engine instead of juice.

Blue02GT · 11-28-2004, 06:32 PM

Stangdude,
I will try to help you but you have to answer my questions.
First off a throttle body alone won't help any so don't worry about that.
How much are you spinning off the line?
Are you adjusting the pressure on your tires?

Also you really are not doing bad. Low 14's with an automatic vert is not bad.

Stangdude27 · 11-28-2004, 06:39 PM

I'm not spinning at all. My launch is pretty good but I'm slowing down somewhere between 2nd and 3rd. My times are consistant enough that I should be 13.7 to .8 I can't break the 14.0 barrier. But I'll be trying really hard to this weekend. For an Auto vert it is good yes but for the money and time spent I have come to expect more. I"m just going to get on the juice and see if that takes me in the 13's figure 75 shot would be good enough...

Blue02GT · 11-28-2004, 06:43 PM

Well a 75 shot might put you in the high 12's, lol.
If it makes you feel any better I was stuck at 13.7 for what seemed forever. Mines an auto also and I had 3.73's. I think they are a limiting factor. Since you plan on doing more down the road and don't want to changes gears then you need more power and less weight.

Stangdude27 · 11-28-2004, 06:46 PM

maybe pulling the seats out on track day can lesson the weight. high 12's would be good. Which system should I get?

Blue02GT · 11-28-2004, 06:48 PM

Who did your tune and did you ask them for a 93 octane tune?

Blue02GT · 11-28-2004, 06:50 PM

Well that depends on how much you want to spend. Blake did alot of research and went with the Venom set up.

Stangdude27 · 11-28-2004, 06:57 PM

I bought the hand held tuner from Superships. It has the performance tune on it it has two settings so you can go 87 or 91 octane. It is the Max micro tuner 1725. I'm waiting for them to e-mail me back with some answers on tuning the car.

I think I'll go ahead and get the venom 500. is it easy to install?

Blue02GT · 11-28-2004, 07:04 PM

You will have to ask Blake (customer#1) he did his himself.
About the tune, I just got a tune from Modular Depot, 4 bank SCT chip. I sent them a detailed list of all my mod's and issues. I picked up quite a bit from mine, a ton at the top end. I had them do a 87 octane for regualr driving and a 93 with the timing advanced for the track. Sounds like yours might not be set up correctly for your gears, shifting short.I had a hand held from SCT and the performance tune it came with was poop. Before spending the money on nitrous call a SCT dealer and talk with them about your set up . If you decide to go with nitrous anyway maybe you could get it tuned for both at the same time.

WaterDR · 11-28-2004, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stangdude27

I bought the hand held tuner from Superships. It has the performance tune on it it has two settings so you can go 87 or 91 octane. It is the Max micro tuner 1725. I'm waiting for them to e-mail me back with some answers on tuning the car.

I think I'll go ahead and get the venom 500. is it easy to install?

Please clarify. Do you have the SCT Tuner or the Superchips tuner? Is it blue in color or black? Sounds like you have the black one from Superchips. If it is blue it is an SCT (Superchips Custom Tuning).

Stangdude27 · 11-28-2004, 07:21 PM

I have the black one not the blue. It is crap. I should get a reply from Superchips tomorrow about getting the programer tuned for my mods.

Blue02GT · 11-28-2004, 07:25 PM

The black one is superchips, you are right it's tune is crap. I just used mine to correct my speedo for the gears.
There is no comparison between the SCT tune and the old style superchips hand held.

WaterDR · 11-28-2004, 07:46 PM

SCT is a division of Superchips. The are related, but not the same. Kind of like dating the ugly sister.

Like Dean, I had that one too at one time. I sent it back and got refunded. If I am not misstaken, the version you have comes with a standard tune and it can not be customized. The unit caused my car to ping heavily and when I contacted Superchips I was told that the device would only work for a stock car except for gear changes. The user makes the gear correction when you install the program.

Essentially, you are asking a device to do something that it was not intended. I would try to return it or sell it.

stanger00 · 11-29-2004, 05:17 AM

see wade i kind of figured that. that tuner had to of been bad b/c there was no reason for our cars to be shifting all wrong. well when you get that nitrous ill be there to help. i still have to put those shocks on my car first come first serve in the garage LOL. things will get better we should look into finding a good name for some good tunes.

Stangdude27 · 11-29-2004, 02:39 PM

Your right Jon, I'll be looking for a good tuner in the very near future anyone with a stock GT looking for a tuner if your not looking to run the track it helps out with fuel economy. That is the only thing that I saw a gain out of it.

11-27-2004, 05:07 AM	#1 (permalink)
Stangdude27 Silver 2003 GT Conv Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ft Walton Beach,Florida Posts: 399	No luck at the track Superchips suck. I ran 4 passes at the track. Each run exactly in the order of counting up 14.0 to 14.4 I never hit 14.3. anyway I went stock program and I get 14.0 I make to runs stock sec run 14.2. I swap to the tuner and gained .2 on the 1/4. All my times don't really matter at this point. I have 3.73 s I have CAI I even swapped Stanger00 's TB and nothing. My car ran 14.2 with really no mods. And this is killing my hopes of getting the car down to 13 before year end. I'll be killing the 13 by march. Should I get the thing polished and ported! Maybe the engine is a piece of crap. Someone give me some advice on good upgrades to get the car down to the 13's

11-27-2004, 09:26 AM	#2 (permalink)
4.6 Love Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mexico Posts: 6,127	A couple of things you need to look at first and that you should take in consideration! First off you're a vert and therefore alot heavier than hardtops! I think us vert weigh around 36xx-38xx lbs! So we start out with a disadvantage! Second! with your current mods you more than enough to already be in the high 13's! Also you don't specify wether your car is a 5-speed or not! If youre a 5-speed I think you can't drive and need some practice! If youre an auto you got the wrong gears and should have gone with some 4.10's! Third, I don't know wether you are on sticky tires or not, if not I suggest you get yourself a set of Nitto Dr's or BF's Dr's, any of the two will do just fine! On a side note, 17's tires will give you a better E.T. than 18' tires so I would have gone with some 17's but I think you went with 18's for the look right? Anywho, with some practice and a good launch you'll be in the 13's in no time! Miguel __________________ Go Cowboys! X pipe and flows

11-27-2004, 11:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,346	It's frustrating to put money in the car and see no gains. Can you provide more details from your slips? Perhaps Dean can chime in as he is a real expert at looking at slips and diagnosing problems. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

11-27-2004, 11:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
madmatt Traitor...lol Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 7,911	Let us know more details about the car, and let us know what your 60 foot times were. Those are a VERY important factor in how the car performs at the strip. Youll get there man, dont lose hope. __________________ RPMPlanets

11-27-2004, 02:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	If I read correctly you picked up 2 tenth's from your tune. That is good, that's equal to 20 hp. You have to post all your sixty foot times, weather data and describe your launches. Did you spin etc. As stated by others Verts are slower due to weight. You have pullies (5 hp) cold air (no gain) K & N filter (5 hp) X pipe & Catback 10 -15 hp Sounds like you are running big heavy wheels and tires, this will slow you down. Blake had the same problem, heavy car big tires and wheels. 14.0 with what you have is not bad. Make a few changes and you can go mid 13's. Run a set of DR's on light weight wheels at the track. Work work work on your sixty foot time, it's everything. Shift at 5800 rpm. Don't short shift you'll kill your top end. Did you take out your spare tire and jack? Have you removed the dog bone from the rear end? Front sway bar? Run less than a quarter tank of gas, pump your front tires up to 45 psi. There are alot of little things that add up. Take out the back seat before you go to the track, 70 lbs. savings. Most of all don't get discouraged, keep getting out and practicing. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

11-27-2004, 07:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	Okay, I must not have read correctly. You are also correct about the the shifting at 5500, mine did that prior to my tune. Before my tune I was faster shifting the car myself because of that. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

11-28-2004, 02:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
Stangdude27 Silver 2003 GT Conv Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ft Walton Beach,Florida Posts: 399	Alright my frustrating car. I ran faster on friday than I did Saturday. Friday RT .097 60' 2.090 330 5.953 I'm getting Nitrous 1/8 9.086 78.45 this week. I figure a 75 1000 11.794 will due some great stuff 1/4 14.080 98.84 Thats with bigger TB no chip program Sat Run 1 60' 2.144 1/4 14.304 97.36 Program installed Run 5 60' 2.055 1/4 14.158 97.09

11-28-2004, 02:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
Stangdude27 Silver 2003 GT Conv Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ft Walton Beach,Florida Posts: 399	also my car is an Automatic vert. I did run on 17x8's hopefully I can get some Drag radials soon. Oh ya Saturdays runs were done with stock TB I'm think'n'n bigger throttle body and putting my old X-pipe back on with nitrous will I be crank'n' out 13's or what?

11-28-2004, 02:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
Stangdude27 Silver 2003 GT Conv Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ft Walton Beach,Florida Posts: 399	Also this Saturday I"m going back to Cecil and let Stanger00 take the car for a look to see what's up I'm just not to happy with the set up and maybe another person can figurre it out....maybe chuck the passenger seat and back seat to lose more poundage. I think with nitrous I can see more gains but I'ld rather have all engine instead of juice.

11-28-2004, 06:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	Stangdude, I will try to help you but you have to answer my questions. First off a throttle body alone won't help any so don't worry about that. How much are you spinning off the line? Are you adjusting the pressure on your tires? Also you really are not doing bad. Low 14's with an automatic vert is not bad. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

11-28-2004, 06:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
Stangdude27 Silver 2003 GT Conv Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ft Walton Beach,Florida Posts: 399	I'm not spinning at all. My launch is pretty good but I'm slowing down somewhere between 2nd and 3rd. My times are consistant enough that I should be 13.7 to .8 I can't break the 14.0 barrier. But I'll be trying really hard to this weekend. For an Auto vert it is good yes but for the money and time spent I have come to expect more. I"m just going to get on the juice and see if that takes me in the 13's figure 75 shot would be good enough...

11-28-2004, 06:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	Well a 75 shot might put you in the high 12's, lol. If it makes you feel any better I was stuck at 13.7 for what seemed forever. Mines an auto also and I had 3.73's. I think they are a limiting factor. Since you plan on doing more down the road and don't want to changes gears then you need more power and less weight. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

11-28-2004, 06:46 PM	#14 (permalink)
Stangdude27 Silver 2003 GT Conv Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ft Walton Beach,Florida Posts: 399	maybe pulling the seats out on track day can lesson the weight. high 12's would be good. Which system should I get?

11-28-2004, 06:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	Who did your tune and did you ask them for a 93 octane tune? __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

11-28-2004, 06:50 PM	#16 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	Well that depends on how much you want to spend. Blake did alot of research and went with the Venom set up. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

11-28-2004, 06:57 PM	#17 (permalink)
Stangdude27 Silver 2003 GT Conv Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ft Walton Beach,Florida Posts: 399	I bought the hand held tuner from Superships. It has the performance tune on it it has two settings so you can go 87 or 91 octane. It is the Max micro tuner 1725. I'm waiting for them to e-mail me back with some answers on tuning the car. I think I'll go ahead and get the venom 500. is it easy to install?

11-28-2004, 07:04 PM	#18 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	You will have to ask Blake (customer#1) he did his himself. About the tune, I just got a tune from Modular Depot, 4 bank SCT chip. I sent them a detailed list of all my mod's and issues. I picked up quite a bit from mine, a ton at the top end. I had them do a 87 octane for regualr driving and a 93 with the timing advanced for the track. Sounds like yours might not be set up correctly for your gears, shifting short.I had a hand held from SCT and the performance tune it came with was poop. Before spending the money on nitrous call a SCT dealer and talk with them about your set up . If you decide to go with nitrous anyway maybe you could get it tuned for both at the same time. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

11-28-2004, 07:21 PM	#20 (permalink)
Stangdude27 Silver 2003 GT Conv Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ft Walton Beach,Florida Posts: 399	I have the black one not the blue. It is crap. I should get a reply from Superchips tomorrow about getting the programer tuned for my mods.

11-28-2004, 07:25 PM	#21 (permalink)
Blue02GT Ex Mini Smack King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 868	The black one is superchips, you are right it's tune is crap. I just used mine to correct my speedo for the gears. There is no comparison between the SCT tune and the old style superchips hand held. __________________ True Blue 2002 GT Premium 4r70W 1/8 8.205@ 84.780 1/4 12.874@ 107.20 Bolt on's n/a NMRA #7703 Dyno'd at Modular Depot 251 hp. 291 Tq. 4.30's, 3500 Stall converter, Steeda upper & Lowers, Tokico drag struts, M & M frame connectors, P & A valve body, C&L plenum, Accufab 75mm TB, Jet Hot Long tubes, Hooker O/R X, Steeda catback,SCT tune,Steeda pullies.

11-28-2004, 07:46 PM	#22 (permalink)
WaterDR Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,346	SCT is a division of Superchips. The are related, but not the same. Kind of like dating the ugly sister. Like Dean, I had that one too at one time. I sent it back and got refunded. If I am not misstaken, the version you have comes with a standard tune and it can not be customized. The unit caused my car to ping heavily and when I contacted Superchips I was told that the device would only work for a stock car except for gear changes. The user makes the gear correction when you install the program. Essentially, you are asking a device to do something that it was not intended. I would try to return it or sell it. __________________ Black 2000 GT Vert: Novi-2000 with Intercooler (375rwhp @ 9 psi); Tune by Kauffmans; Roush 380R Body kit; Steeda Subframes; Steeda Strut Tower Support; Deep Dish Bullets; FRPP 4:10's; SCT 4 Position Chip with four custom tunes; Steeda CAI; C&L Pleum; BBK 75 TB; SLP Loudmouth; SLP Catted X-Pipe; Bullitt Suspension; UPR Conrol Arms; Focus Fuel Pump My Car My Email

11-29-2004, 02:39 PM	#24 (permalink)
Stangdude27 Silver 2003 GT Conv Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ft Walton Beach,Florida Posts: 399	Your right Jon, I'll be looking for a good tuner in the very near future anyone with a stock GT looking for a tuner if your not looking to run the track it helps out with fuel economy. That is the only thing that I saw a gain out of it.

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