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mustangrn · 03-30-2008, 12:09 PM

I've given this alot of thought to prevent a knee-jerk reaction and I feel the need to voice this. I was reading this thread as I was chatting with my husband who is in Afghanistan, so you can see I am emotionally attached. The numbers are tragic no doubt and I have personally lost 5 friends that I know of, friends just don't get notification, so I check the DOD site regularly to see if anyone I know is there. Our nation has given 4000 lives in support of a cause that is at best debated, the key word is "given". These men and women chose freely and knowingly to put themselves in harms way to support their country and honor their obiliations, and that should be respected accordingly. The numbers we don't hear about are the thousands of lives that have been saved and the thousands more that are substantially improved because of our presence. Talk to any soldier who has been out in the real world of Iraq or Afghanistan and their stories of the people and their lives will forever change your perspective on our mission and the media. Those stories are convienently left out of media reports. We absolutely need to be getting our troops out, but to think that can be accomplished quickly or smoothly is a fantasy. We have embedded ourselves deeply in the lives and government of these people and have begun a process that needs to come full circle to ensure no return trips.

As far as politicians lying...can you honestly say you are surprised. That is how politics runs, say whatever it takes to get in office and then do whatever you can to get rich and powerful. I must say though Hilary didn't learn much from Bill, cause she can't lie for shit!!! When you have thousands of witnesses it's not advisable to lie about the event. DUH!! The wmd's were a farce and we all know it, but I doubt if Bush knew it at the time. I believe he was being fed more crap than any one. He can't lie for squat either, he gets flustered too easily on camera. I do believe we had valid mission when we invaded Iraq, just not the one we were told. To this day we are criticized for our late entry into WWII, how long were we going to allow another Hitler to run loose. That is what Sadam was, the modern day equivilent to Hitler. The lie of wmd was just easier to get the public behind at the time than atrocities against humanity.

03-30-2008, 12:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
mustangrn Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 292	Back on topic I've given this alot of thought to prevent a knee-jerk reaction and I feel the need to voice this. I was reading this thread as I was chatting with my husband who is in Afghanistan, so you can see I am emotionally attached. The numbers are tragic no doubt and I have personally lost 5 friends that I know of, friends just don't get notification, so I check the DOD site regularly to see if anyone I know is there. Our nation has given 4000 lives in support of a cause that is at best debated, the key word is "given". These men and women chose freely and knowingly to put themselves in harms way to support their country and honor their obiliations, and that should be respected accordingly. The numbers we don't hear about are the thousands of lives that have been saved and the thousands more that are substantially improved because of our presence. Talk to any soldier who has been out in the real world of Iraq or Afghanistan and their stories of the people and their lives will forever change your perspective on our mission and the media. Those stories are convienently left out of media reports. We absolutely need to be getting our troops out, but to think that can be accomplished quickly or smoothly is a fantasy. We have embedded ourselves deeply in the lives and government of these people and have begun a process that needs to come full circle to ensure no return trips. As far as politicians lying...can you honestly say you are surprised. That is how politics runs, say whatever it takes to get in office and then do whatever you can to get rich and powerful. I must say though Hilary didn't learn much from Bill, cause she can't lie for shit!!! When you have thousands of witnesses it's not advisable to lie about the event. DUH!! The wmd's were a farce and we all know it, but I doubt if Bush knew it at the time. I believe he was being fed more crap than any one. He can't lie for squat either, he gets flustered too easily on camera. I do believe we had valid mission when we invaded Iraq, just not the one we were told. To this day we are criticized for our late entry into WWII, how long were we going to allow another Hitler to run loose. That is what Sadam was, the modern day equivilent to Hitler. The lie of wmd was just easier to get the public behind at the time than atrocities against humanity. __________________