Wow, some of you people are missing the point of this here discussion.
Lets back up and review here...
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Originally Posted by Badfish
I don't see how any red blooded american can sit there and call our commander in cheif an idiot.
You act like Bush is the only president in the history of time that has messed up...newsflash: he's not...
There's nothing that pisses me off more than all you liberals joining the "I hate bush" bandwagon..when you really have NO idea what you're talking about
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I have my right to free speech, and yes I do think that our president is doing more wrong than right. Would I say he is a flaming idiot, probably not, but I dont see the majority of his policies even producing what they were supposed to do.
Every president has messed up over time, but Bush is unique as when he is in a corner he and his administration will deny that they ever said something, even though the administration really did say what someone is claiming they said. This has happened numerous times, and frankly im not too happy with a government that constantly lies to its people, even though they are caught red handed.
I havn't liked Bush since day one. Im not a liberal hippie though, and I dont jump on any bandwagon. Based on the evidence that was presented on Iraq and its ties to Al Qaeda, I did not see that the war in Iraq was something that is justified.
Let me clarify something here: Was Saddam bad, yes. Very. He was a horrible human being, as were his sons. Was he a DIRECT threat to US national security, no, not at that present time. Remember, there have been NO proven ties that Iraq funded Al Qaeda or supported OBL.
Im also not too pleased that the whole subject of the war has changed, yet nobody gives a flying ****. We ****ed up when we invaded and have put ourselves into a large quagmire on how to get out. In short, we have set the grounds for a civil war in Iraq. The powder-keg is already about to burst.
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Originally Posted by 1 BAD S
you want to know some of the good things he has done for our country, how about going to war. paying thos sons of bi*ches back for what they did on 9/11. im proud to say my dad has dropped many of those bombs (B-1 bunker buster FTW).
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How is sacrificing 3000+ American soldiers for a cause that the majority of the country doesn't even back anymore something that is good? There were no ties to Iraq and Al Qaeda. I don't know why this cannot be seen, when multiple government positions (both Conservative and Liberal) have both come to the same conclusion, there was no tie between them.
Invading Afganistan, very much so justified. Iraq, not so much. The whole point of that invasion was to stop Saddam from having these WMD's and to punish him for his suspected ties with OBL. Both have come up with a big 0 on the scoreboard. Suddenly its Iraqi Freedom. Do the Iraqi's deserve to not be under a dictator with an iron fist, absolutely, but I dont think the large amount of civilian deaths justify that freedom.
Creating the grounds for a civil war in any country is not something that you chalk up on the "good things I have done" list.
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Originally Posted by 1 BAD S
exactly. if i would have been the soldier who found him in his hole, i would have just tossed a grenade in there and just pretend that i didnt know someone was in there. oops
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Yeah and then there is this amazing thing called the Geneva Convention. You do that and, although you might be glorified, you will hurt the position of the US Troops in Iraq and turn even more of the world stage against us.
There are already Marines in trouble because of their itchy fingers in Iraq, shooting civilians, seemingly intentionally. **** like that doesn't help our position there.
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Originally Posted by MT's#1Customer!
BTW, 30% approval rating? Means nothing since most Americans are only concerned about themselves and their own pocket books.
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Yes and no on this one. Bush doesnt care because he doesnt have to worry about being re-elected. I personally don't think that the US as a population wish to put their pocketbooks in front of the well-being of the entire country. Then again, who knows. We're Americans.
BTW, many of the republicans in the house and senate are going to be losing their seats to Democrats because of the decisions of this Congress and Adminstration. I would NOT be suprised to see a Democratically dominant house and senate for the final two years of Bush's presidency. Already many Republicans are trying to distance themselves from Bush and his policies. Having your majority leader also be indited and then step down also says that there is quite a lot of corruption throughout the party, at least thats what it says to me.
Only 4 Majorly conservative states truely support Bush and the Republican Congress right now, the tide of change is upon the entire US. Many Americans are not happy with the way things are going period, and I think that this election season a lot of voices are going to be heard even clearer.